[cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses

[James Lawson]

Andrew Miller wrote:
> David Nickerson wrote:
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> I think this is an excessive response to a very minor problem. I very 
>> easily see this evolving into many separate and distinct local 
>> communities with little interaction.
> The intention is that these lists only be used for messages like 'There 
> is a meeting on Level 6 at 10:00 am on Tuesday this week', or 'The 
> recently announced release can be run by on Linux by local users from 
> /people/blah/binaries/myprog', rather than significant CellML related 
> issues, and that is the goal of my guideline.
> 
> I think that there are already very separate and distinct local 
> communities (we hardly ever hear from many of the communities who are 
> working on CellML), and the idea is that by acknowledging this and 
> providing an archived, open resource for local discussions with an 
> encouragement to send non-local messages to the more general list, we 
> can actively build stronger community interactions.
> 

But how interested in these group-specific announcements are other
groups going to be?

>>  For the same reasons we removed the 
>> cellml-tools mailing list, I would very much like to see 
>> cellml-discussion remain as the only public forum for discussing CellML 
>> related issues, until such time as we decide that the list is being 
>> flooded with too many emails on one topic and we separate that topic off 
>> onto its own mailing list. I have yet to see any need for this.
>>   
> Although a lot of messages currently get sent directly to interested 
> recipients to avoid flooding the list, and moving these onto a local 
> list would cause them to be archived.
>> The idea of the team-cellml mailing list was for discussion amongst the 
>> original Auckland team on issues relating to the underlying functioning 
>> of the CellML project and a place to debate decisions when consensus 
>> could not be achieved amongst the wider CellML community.
>>  The 
>> auckland at cellml.org mailing list would not serve this purpose.
>>   
> I don't think that we need a separate mailing list for this, because 
> there is no need to tie decision making processes to the mailing list.
> 
> The process for developing a given resource is ultimately determined by 
> whoever funds that resource, and the people who make the final decision 
> can do so on the basis of discussions (which may include them) on the 
> list. I don't see any need for a second mailing list for this.
>> Andre.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Miller wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There has been some discussion recently about how best to handle local 
>>> CellML addresses (which can be used by local groups with an interest in 
>>> CellML to arrange meetings and hold other discussions which are purely 
>>> local in scope and not of interest to the broader CellML community).
>>>
>>> At the University of Auckland, we have a list for the Auckland CellML 
>>> team. However, I feel that some of the discussion on that list would 
>>> probably better occur on the cellml-discussion mailing list (or another 
>>> more public forum). After discussing this at our Auckland CellML group 
>>> meeting, it was suggested that perhaps similar issues are arising at 
>>> other localised groups working on CellML. To this end, we came up with a 
>>> rough proposal (which I expand on below) which I hope will help both the 
>>> Auckland group and other groups using CellML to collaborate.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is just a proposal, and I would welcome feedback 
>>> on how we can improve it. I would be especially interested to hear 
>>> opinions from other groups outside Auckland using CellML.
>>>
>>> Proposal:
>>> "
>>> 1) Groups can request <location>@cellml.org mailing lists.
>>>   a) Any group which is working on a CellML related project may [follow 
>>> some procedure which needs to be decided] to request a mailing list for 
>>> discussion of location specific matters related to their CellML project.
>>>   b) The e-mail address requested shall follow the format 
>>> <location>@cellml.org, where <location> is replaced with a short word, 
>>> phrase, or abbrevation which describes the geographical location of the 
>>> group concerned.
>>>   c) The location name should be sufficient to uniquely distinguish the 
>>> group from other separate groups that may wish to work on CellML. List 
>>> names are subject to review to ensure that they are unlikely to conflict 
>>> with another group or cause confusion.
>>>
>>> 2) Location-specific mailing lists to have open membership and be 
>>> publicly archived.
>>>   a) Any person may join any location-specific mailing list without 
>>> moderator approval, regardless of their actual geographic location.
>>>   b) All location-specific mailing lists shall have a publicly readable 
>>> archive, hosted at cellml.org.
>>>
>>> 3) Scope and posting rules for location-specific mailing lists.
>>>   a) All messages posted to location-specific mailing lists must be 
>>> related in some way to CellML, or to tools which process CellML, or to 
>>> the operation of groups with an interest in CellML. Some degree of 
>>> leeway should be afforded by cellml.org administrators here, as long as 
>>> the list is not being used as a free hosting service for work not even 
>>> vaguely related CellML.
>>>   b) Message posters are strongly encouraged to send messages which may 
>>> be of broader interest to the cellml-discussion list rather than to the 
>>> location-specific address.
>>>   c) The location-specific mailing lists must not be used for 
>>> information which is of a private or confidential nature (after all, it 
>>> is an open membership list with a public archive).
>>>   d) All posters to location-specific mailing lists agree that their 
>>> messages may be further distributed (with attribution to them), 
>>> including by forwarding to the cellml-discussion list or by inclusion in 
>>> public bug-trackers (and also agree to the translation of their messages 
>>> into another language).
>>>   e) The location-specific groups may establish their own additional 
>>> posting rules by their normal decision-making process, as long as these 
>>> posting rules do not conflict with the general rules described here. 
>>> These posting rules may include (without limitation) the scope of the 
>>> list, who is allowed to post to the list (but not who can subscribe) and 
>>> how often, and the permitted language(s) of any posts to the list.
>>>
>>> 4) Administration and moderation of location-specific mailing lists.
>>>   a) Each location-specific group shall determine their own process for 
>>> the control of their own mailing lists, and their nominated 
>>> administrator will be provided with a password allowing them access to 
>>> the administrative interface.
>>>   b) Group designated administrators are free to change the settings of 
>>> the groups location-specific CellML mailing list (after changes are 
>>> approved through the appropriate local decision-making processes). 
>>> However, they must not make changes which cause the mailing list 
>>> archives to be no longer public, or which cause the list to require 
>>> moderator approval before allowing subscriptions.
>>>   c) Group designated administrators may also (in accordance with 
>>> locally determined policies) subscribe and remove people from their 
>>> mailing lists are a service to the person being added or removed. 
>>> Administrators may infer that a person wishes to be added or removed 
>>> from the mailing list if they are visiting / commencing employment or 
>>> leaving the group respectively. However, administrators may not add or 
>>> remove any person from the mailing list who does not wish to be added or 
>>> removed, as this would prevent the list from being open membership.
>>>   d) Group designated administrators may (in accordance with locally 
>>> determined policies) use the moderation features of mailman to enforce 
>>> the posting rules for the list.
>>>
>>> 5) Transitional measures for the Auckland group:
>>>   a) A list auckland at cellml.org will be created.
>>>   b) All members of the list team-cellml at list.bioeng.auckland.ac.nz will 
>>> be subscribed to auckland at cellml.org.
>>>   c) Andrew Miller will be the initial designated administrator of 
>>> auckland at cellml.org.
>>>   d) There will be no initial additional posting rules for 
>>> auckland at cellml.org.
>>>   e) The team-cellml at lists.auckland.ac.nz mailing list will be closed to 
>>> new posts after the new list is set up and tested. The archives will 
>>> remain as they currently are.
>>> "
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andrew Miller
>>>
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