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Dear Allyson and Hans

Thank you for your thoughts on this topic... I'll add your comments
to the tracker item to keep all the information in one place, and I
will raise this issue again at next week's CellML meeting to keep the
momentum going and hopefully come to a solution in the not too distant
future!

Best wishes
Catherine


On 3/12/2009, at 12:54 AM, Dr. Hans Ekkehard Plesser wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> You may want to look at work in licensing by Victoria Stodden, see
>
> http://www.stanford.edu/~vcs/
>
> Best,
> Hans
>
> Allyson Lister wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is an interesting point - thanks for bringing it to the
>> community,
>> Catherine!
>>
>> Though I am not a developer of CellML models, but rather a user of
>> them
>> (in the bioinformatics, data integration sense), I have a few
>> points to
>> make that might help this discussion. I have spent a lot of time
>> thinking about licensing with respect to ontologies, which are
>> similar
>> beasts in terms of licensing, IMHO.
>>
>> Firstly: the distinction between /attribution/ and /citation/. At the
>> risk of tooting my own horn, me and a colleague Frank Gibson have
>> written about this in the context of the life sciences here:
>> http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/attribution-vs-citation-do-you-know-the-difference/
>> . Basically, what I would like people to get from this point is
>> that you
>> need to carefully define what the goal is that you want to achieve
>> with
>> the terms of model distribution.
>>
>> Secondly: licensing (which guarantees attribution, but not
>> necessarily
>> citation). The most common requirement mentioned in the links below
>> is
>> attribution. Some have suggested GPL, others the CC-BY license. I
>> would
>> like to suggest that you do NOT use GPL. Although the name "viral"
>> may
>> be misleading, it is true that if a 3rd party wants to use your
>> GPL-licensed models, that if you create a software program that /is a
>> derived work of another software program, then that combined work
>> must
>> be distributed under these terms/. This means that you are
>> restricting
>> everyone down the line to using GPL. I would suggest a variant of the
>> Creative Commons license, such as CC-BY. However, Creative Commons is
>> explictly NOT designed for software. Here, you run into the same
>> problem
>> I had with figuring out a license for ontologies: are ontologies -
>> and
>> models - software or documents? It is my impression (and one that
>> seems
>> to be backed up by the Science Commons folks) that these are indeed
>> documents, and would be suitable for CC. CC allows you to choose a
>> license that isn't defined by any particular country. CC-BY forces
>> attribution (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) while CC-
>> BY-SA
>> (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/) enforces attribution
>> and for people to use similar, compatible (but not identical)
>> licensing.
>> (btw, it seems the BioModels terms of use are here, and might be
>> worth a
>> read: http://www.ebi.ac.uk/biomodels-main/termsofuse)
>>
>> Thirdly: attribution stacking. While it is a good idea (it's what I
>> do)
>> to require attribution in your license, because CellML models may be
>> incorporated one into another into another into another etc, you
>> may get
>> the situation very quickly where it becomes rather unwieldy to ensure
>> everything has been attributed properly. Conversely, if each model
>> gets
>> the attribution right each time, it may not be such a high wall to
>> climb
>> after all. The Science Commons people have something to say about
>> this
>> in general:
>> http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/science-commons-provide-a-list-of-considerations-for-researchers-looking-to-license-their-ontology/
>> . The link I provide here is about ontologies, but the broad points
>> remain important.
>>
>> Finally, do you want links to the other model URIs, or to the DOIs of
>> the papers they're described in? I'm guessing the former, as
>> perhaps the
>> latter will be included in the model's metadata anyway? However,
>> model
>> authors may be more keen, in terms of # of citations being an
>> important
>> metric, to see a DOI put in instead. Not sure, would have to ask the
>> modellers themselves.
>>
>> Hope this helps, and sorry for the length - I didn't intend it to
>> be so
>> long when I started!
>>
>> :) allyson
>>
>> 2009/12/1 Catherine Lloyd <c.lloyd at auckland.ac.nz
>> <mailto:c.lloyd at auckland.ac.nz>>
>>
>> Dear All
>>
>> We are looking towards using the MIRIAM Standard for the basic set
>> of CellML model curation flags. In order to do this we need to
>> consider how we are going to address the following point:
>>
>> "Is the model linked to a precise statement about the terms of
>> distribution?"
>>
>> This issue has been raised at an Auckland CellML team meeting:
>>
>> http://www.cellml.org/community/meeting/minutes/2009/11.25
>>
>> And it has also been discussed (briefly) on the Physiome tracker:
>>
>> https://tracker.physiomeproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2056
>>
>> Before we come up with a definite solution to this problem we
>> would
>> like to open up the discussion further and invite the community to
>> add any comments they might have to this tracker item.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts and ideas!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Catherine
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Allyson Lister
>> http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com
>>
>> CISBAN, http://www.cisban.ac.uk
>> Newcastle University
>>
>
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>
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>
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• [cellml-discussion] Terms of use for CellML models and associated content hosted on models.cellml.org, Catherine Lloyd, 12/02/2009
  • [cellml-discussion] Terms of use for CellML models and associated content hosted on models.cellml.org, Allyson Lister, 12/02/2009
    • [cellml-discussion] Terms of use for CellML models and associated content hosted on models.cellml.org, Dr. Hans Ekkehard Plesser, 12/03/2009
      • [cellml-discussion] Terms of use for CellML models and associated content hosted on models.cellml.org, Catherine Lloyd, 12/03/2009

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