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Andrew Miller wrote:
> David Nickerson wrote:
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> I think this is an excessive response to a very minor problem. I very
>> easily see this evolving into many separate and distinct local
>> communities with little interaction.
> The intention is that these lists only be used for messages like 'There
> is a meeting on Level 6 at 10:00 am on Tuesday this week', or 'The
> recently announced release can be run by on Linux by local users from
> /people/blah/binaries/myprog', rather than significant CellML related
> issues, and that is the goal of my guideline.

what is the benefit of a public archive of such messages?

> I think that there are already very separate and distinct local
> communities (we hardly ever hear from many of the communities who are
> working on CellML), and the idea is that by acknowledging this and
> providing an archived, open resource for local discussions with an
> encouragement to send non-local messages to the more general list, we
> can actively build stronger community interactions.

Perhaps some examples of these local communities you envision might
help? The ones that I know about that you might be referring to are (and
the groups involved):

- The integration of CellML with JSim (Washington, Singapore, Auckland)
- The use of the CellML API in non-Auckland based tools (Kyoto, Osaka,
Oxford, Singapore, Auckland)
- Model curation (the definition of level 4 curation) (Washington,
Wisconsin, Oxford, Singapore, Auckland)

and probably others that I can't recall. Not sure how your idea of local
communities would address these, and given the effort I have put into
getting these discussion on the cellml-discussion mailing list, with
little success, I don't see anything changing in the future.

>> For the same reasons we removed the
>> cellml-tools mailing list, I would very much like to see
>> cellml-discussion remain as the only public forum for discussing CellML
>> related issues, until such time as we decide that the list is being
>> flooded with too many emails on one topic and we separate that topic off
>> onto its own mailing list. I have yet to see any need for this.
>>
> Although a lot of messages currently get sent directly to interested
> recipients to avoid flooding the list, and moving these onto a local
> list would cause them to be archived.

as above, I'm not sure who your target is other than the Auckland group?
and how you would get these personal discussions to take place on a
publicly archived mailing list? and if you can achieve this it would be
much more beneficial to the community to have them moved onto the
cellml-discussion list rather than a local one.

>> The idea of the team-cellml mailing list was for discussion amongst the
>> original Auckland team on issues relating to the underlying functioning
>> of the CellML project and a place to debate decisions when consensus
>> could not be achieved amongst the wider CellML community.
>> The
>> auckland at cellml.org mailing list would not serve this purpose.
>>
> I don't think that we need a separate mailing list for this, because
> there is no need to tie decision making processes to the mailing list.
>
> The process for developing a given resource is ultimately determined by
> whoever funds that resource, and the people who make the final decision
> can do so on the basis of discussions (which may include them) on the
> list. I don't see any need for a second mailing list for this.

This is true and suitable for particular locally-based and driven
resources (such as PCEnv). But for the larger community to succeed,
there needs to be at some level a governing body of some kind that
ensures (as best as possible within the constraints of time and money)
that the project continues to progress with some consistency. The three
community resources that I would see governed by such a body are the
specifications (CellML and metadata), the model repository, and the API.
But I think this is a different topic and not relevant to this discussion.


Andre.

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• [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, Andrew Miller, 06/27/2007
  • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, David Nickerson, 06/27/2007
    • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, Andrew Miller, 06/27/2007
      • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, David Nickerson, 06/27/2007
        • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, Andrew Miller, 06/27/2007
      • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, James Lawson, 06/27/2007
    • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, James Lawson, 06/27/2007
  • [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses, James Lawson, 06/27/2007

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