- From: j.lawson at auckland.ac.nz (James Lawson)
- Subject: [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses
- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:32:28 +1200
Andrew Miller wrote:
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David Nickerson wrote:
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> Hi Andrew,
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> I think this is an excessive response to a very minor problem. I very
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> easily see this evolving into many separate and distinct local
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> communities with little interaction.
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The intention is that these lists only be used for messages like 'There
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is a meeting on Level 6 at 10:00 am on Tuesday this week', or 'The
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recently announced release can be run by on Linux by local users from
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/people/blah/binaries/myprog', rather than significant CellML related
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issues, and that is the goal of my guideline.
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I think that there are already very separate and distinct local
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communities (we hardly ever hear from many of the communities who are
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working on CellML), and the idea is that by acknowledging this and
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providing an archived, open resource for local discussions with an
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encouragement to send non-local messages to the more general list, we
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can actively build stronger community interactions.
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But how interested in these group-specific announcements are other
groups going to be?
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> For the same reasons we removed the
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> cellml-tools mailing list, I would very much like to see
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> cellml-discussion remain as the only public forum for discussing CellML
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> related issues, until such time as we decide that the list is being
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> flooded with too many emails on one topic and we separate that topic off
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> onto its own mailing list. I have yet to see any need for this.
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Although a lot of messages currently get sent directly to interested
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recipients to avoid flooding the list, and moving these onto a local
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list would cause them to be archived.
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> The idea of the team-cellml mailing list was for discussion amongst the
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> original Auckland team on issues relating to the underlying functioning
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> of the CellML project and a place to debate decisions when consensus
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> could not be achieved amongst the wider CellML community.
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> The
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> auckland at cellml.org mailing list would not serve this purpose.
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I don't think that we need a separate mailing list for this, because
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there is no need to tie decision making processes to the mailing list.
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The process for developing a given resource is ultimately determined by
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whoever funds that resource, and the people who make the final decision
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can do so on the basis of discussions (which may include them) on the
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list. I don't see any need for a second mailing list for this.
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> Andre.
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> Andrew Miller wrote:
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>> Hi,
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>> There has been some discussion recently about how best to handle local
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>> CellML addresses (which can be used by local groups with an interest in
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>> CellML to arrange meetings and hold other discussions which are purely
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>> local in scope and not of interest to the broader CellML community).
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>>
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>> At the University of Auckland, we have a list for the Auckland CellML
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>> team. However, I feel that some of the discussion on that list would
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>> probably better occur on the cellml-discussion mailing list (or another
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>> more public forum). After discussing this at our Auckland CellML group
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>> meeting, it was suggested that perhaps similar issues are arising at
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>> other localised groups working on CellML. To this end, we came up with a
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>> rough proposal (which I expand on below) which I hope will help both the
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>> Auckland group and other groups using CellML to collaborate.
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>> Please note that this is just a proposal, and I would welcome feedback
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>> on how we can improve it. I would be especially interested to hear
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>> opinions from other groups outside Auckland using CellML.
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>> Proposal:
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>> "
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>> 1) Groups can request <location>@cellml.org mailing lists.
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>> a) Any group which is working on a CellML related project may [follow
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>> some procedure which needs to be decided] to request a mailing list for
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>> discussion of location specific matters related to their CellML project.
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>> b) The e-mail address requested shall follow the format
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>> <location>@cellml.org, where <location> is replaced with a short word,
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>> phrase, or abbrevation which describes the geographical location of the
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>> group concerned.
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>> c) The location name should be sufficient to uniquely distinguish the
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>> group from other separate groups that may wish to work on CellML. List
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>> names are subject to review to ensure that they are unlikely to conflict
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>> with another group or cause confusion.
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>>
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>> 2) Location-specific mailing lists to have open membership and be
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>> publicly archived.
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>> a) Any person may join any location-specific mailing list without
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>> moderator approval, regardless of their actual geographic location.
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>> b) All location-specific mailing lists shall have a publicly readable
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>> archive, hosted at cellml.org.
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>>
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>> 3) Scope and posting rules for location-specific mailing lists.
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>> a) All messages posted to location-specific mailing lists must be
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>> related in some way to CellML, or to tools which process CellML, or to
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>> the operation of groups with an interest in CellML. Some degree of
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>> leeway should be afforded by cellml.org administrators here, as long as
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>> the list is not being used as a free hosting service for work not even
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>> vaguely related CellML.
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>> b) Message posters are strongly encouraged to send messages which may
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>> be of broader interest to the cellml-discussion list rather than to the
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>> location-specific address.
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>> c) The location-specific mailing lists must not be used for
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>> information which is of a private or confidential nature (after all, it
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>> is an open membership list with a public archive).
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>> d) All posters to location-specific mailing lists agree that their
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>> messages may be further distributed (with attribution to them),
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>> including by forwarding to the cellml-discussion list or by inclusion in
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>> public bug-trackers (and also agree to the translation of their messages
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>> into another language).
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>> e) The location-specific groups may establish their own additional
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>> posting rules by their normal decision-making process, as long as these
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>> posting rules do not conflict with the general rules described here.
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>> These posting rules may include (without limitation) the scope of the
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>> list, who is allowed to post to the list (but not who can subscribe) and
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>> how often, and the permitted language(s) of any posts to the list.
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>> 4) Administration and moderation of location-specific mailing lists.
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>> a) Each location-specific group shall determine their own process for
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>> the control of their own mailing lists, and their nominated
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>> administrator will be provided with a password allowing them access to
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>> the administrative interface.
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>> b) Group designated administrators are free to change the settings of
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>> the groups location-specific CellML mailing list (after changes are
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>> approved through the appropriate local decision-making processes).
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>> However, they must not make changes which cause the mailing list
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>> archives to be no longer public, or which cause the list to require
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>> moderator approval before allowing subscriptions.
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>> c) Group designated administrators may also (in accordance with
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>> locally determined policies) subscribe and remove people from their
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>> mailing lists are a service to the person being added or removed.
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>> Administrators may infer that a person wishes to be added or removed
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>> from the mailing list if they are visiting / commencing employment or
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>> leaving the group respectively. However, administrators may not add or
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>> remove any person from the mailing list who does not wish to be added or
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>> removed, as this would prevent the list from being open membership.
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>> d) Group designated administrators may (in accordance with locally
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>> determined policies) use the moderation features of mailman to enforce
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>> the posting rules for the list.
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>>
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>> 5) Transitional measures for the Auckland group:
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>> a) A list auckland at cellml.org will be created.
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>> b) All members of the list team-cellml at list.bioeng.auckland.ac.nz
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>> will
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>> be subscribed to auckland at cellml.org.
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>> c) Andrew Miller will be the initial designated administrator of
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>> auckland at cellml.org.
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>> d) There will be no initial additional posting rules for
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>> auckland at cellml.org.
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>> e) The team-cellml at lists.auckland.ac.nz mailing list will be closed
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>> to
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>> new posts after the new list is set up and tested. The archives will
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>> remain as they currently are.
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>> "
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>> Please let me know what you think.
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>>
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>> Best regards,
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>> Andrew Miller
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