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[cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses


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  • From: j.lawson at auckland.ac.nz (James Lawson)
  • Subject: [cellml-discussion] Proposal: Local CellML team e-mail addresses
  • Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:30:04 +1200
David Nickerson wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I think this is an excessive response to a very minor problem. I very
> easily see this evolving into many separate and distinct local
> communities with little interaction. For the same reasons we removed the
> cellml-tools mailing list,

I would very much like to see
> cellml-discussion remain as the only public forum for discussing CellML
> related issues, until such time as we decide that the list is being
> flooded with too many emails on one topic and we separate that topic off
> onto its own mailing list.

Just a side note: at present, people who we would very much like to be
participating in discussions or at the very least be subscribed to the
list, are not subscribed because most of what is being discussed on the
list is irrelevant to them. The discussion list is described as being
'for those interested in contributing to the development of CellML,'
rather than what I gather is the currently intended function. That is,
'all things cellml.' I brought this up at the ABI meeting today and we
think it needs to be addressed somehow.

I have yet to see any need for this.

To be honest, I have to say I don't really agree with this response
either. I do think that some changes are needed, however, to address
issues that we've been talking about regarding a.) building community
and getting more people involved in cellml-discussion, b.) providing a
useful platform for people to get help, and c.) what I mention above.

Also, as I said in an earlier reply to this thread, I think that most
groups would already have their own group mailing list / electronic
communication network. Why would they want a cellml.org one? Especially
with all the rules Andrew intends to impose. Not that I necessarily
disagree with the guidelines he's suggested, it's just a matter of
principle. People reject unnecessary control.

>
> The idea of the team-cellml mailing list was for discussion amongst the
> original Auckland team on issues relating to the underlying functioning
> of the CellML project and a place to debate decisions when consensus
> could not be achieved amongst the wider CellML community. The
> auckland at cellml.org mailing list would not serve this purpose.
>
>
> Andre.
>
>
>
> Andrew Miller wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There has been some discussion recently about how best to handle local
>> CellML addresses (which can be used by local groups with an interest in
>> CellML to arrange meetings and hold other discussions which are purely
>> local in scope and not of interest to the broader CellML community).
>>
>> At the University of Auckland, we have a list for the Auckland CellML
>> team. However, I feel that some of the discussion on that list would
>> probably better occur on the cellml-discussion mailing list (or another
>> more public forum). After discussing this at our Auckland CellML group
>> meeting, it was suggested that perhaps similar issues are arising at
>> other localised groups working on CellML. To this end, we came up with a
>> rough proposal (which I expand on below) which I hope will help both the
>> Auckland group and other groups using CellML to collaborate.
>>
>> Please note that this is just a proposal, and I would welcome feedback
>> on how we can improve it. I would be especially interested to hear
>> opinions from other groups outside Auckland using CellML.
>>
>> Proposal:
>> "
>> 1) Groups can request <location>@cellml.org mailing lists.
>> a) Any group which is working on a CellML related project may [follow
>> some procedure which needs to be decided] to request a mailing list for
>> discussion of location specific matters related to their CellML project.
>> b) The e-mail address requested shall follow the format
>> <location>@cellml.org, where <location> is replaced with a short word,
>> phrase, or abbrevation which describes the geographical location of the
>> group concerned.
>> c) The location name should be sufficient to uniquely distinguish the
>> group from other separate groups that may wish to work on CellML. List
>> names are subject to review to ensure that they are unlikely to conflict
>> with another group or cause confusion.
>>
>> 2) Location-specific mailing lists to have open membership and be
>> publicly archived.
>> a) Any person may join any location-specific mailing list without
>> moderator approval, regardless of their actual geographic location.
>> b) All location-specific mailing lists shall have a publicly readable
>> archive, hosted at cellml.org.
>>
>> 3) Scope and posting rules for location-specific mailing lists.
>> a) All messages posted to location-specific mailing lists must be
>> related in some way to CellML, or to tools which process CellML, or to
>> the operation of groups with an interest in CellML. Some degree of
>> leeway should be afforded by cellml.org administrators here, as long as
>> the list is not being used as a free hosting service for work not even
>> vaguely related CellML.
>> b) Message posters are strongly encouraged to send messages which may
>> be of broader interest to the cellml-discussion list rather than to the
>> location-specific address.
>> c) The location-specific mailing lists must not be used for
>> information which is of a private or confidential nature (after all, it
>> is an open membership list with a public archive).
>> d) All posters to location-specific mailing lists agree that their
>> messages may be further distributed (with attribution to them),
>> including by forwarding to the cellml-discussion list or by inclusion in
>> public bug-trackers (and also agree to the translation of their messages
>> into another language).
>> e) The location-specific groups may establish their own additional
>> posting rules by their normal decision-making process, as long as these
>> posting rules do not conflict with the general rules described here.
>> These posting rules may include (without limitation) the scope of the
>> list, who is allowed to post to the list (but not who can subscribe) and
>> how often, and the permitted language(s) of any posts to the list.
>>
>> 4) Administration and moderation of location-specific mailing lists.
>> a) Each location-specific group shall determine their own process for
>> the control of their own mailing lists, and their nominated
>> administrator will be provided with a password allowing them access to
>> the administrative interface.
>> b) Group designated administrators are free to change the settings of
>> the groups location-specific CellML mailing list (after changes are
>> approved through the appropriate local decision-making processes).
>> However, they must not make changes which cause the mailing list
>> archives to be no longer public, or which cause the list to require
>> moderator approval before allowing subscriptions.
>> c) Group designated administrators may also (in accordance with
>> locally determined policies) subscribe and remove people from their
>> mailing lists are a service to the person being added or removed.
>> Administrators may infer that a person wishes to be added or removed
>> from the mailing list if they are visiting / commencing employment or
>> leaving the group respectively. However, administrators may not add or
>> remove any person from the mailing list who does not wish to be added or
>> removed, as this would prevent the list from being open membership.
>> d) Group designated administrators may (in accordance with locally
>> determined policies) use the moderation features of mailman to enforce
>> the posting rules for the list.
>>
>> 5) Transitional measures for the Auckland group:
>> a) A list auckland at cellml.org will be created.
>> b) All members of the list team-cellml at list.bioeng.auckland.ac.nz
>> will
>> be subscribed to auckland at cellml.org.
>> c) Andrew Miller will be the initial designated administrator of
>> auckland at cellml.org.
>> d) There will be no initial additional posting rules for
>> auckland at cellml.org.
>> e) The team-cellml at lists.auckland.ac.nz mailing list will be closed
>> to
>> new posts after the new list is set up and tested. The archives will
>> remain as they currently are.
>> "
>>
>> Please let me know what you think.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Andrew Miller
>>
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