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  • From: j.lawson at auckland.ac.nz (James Lawson)
  • Subject: [cellml-discussion] [team-cellml] @cellml.org addresses
  • Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:59:14 +1200
See below...

Andrew Miller wrote:
> David Nickerson wrote:
>>>>> I see the project team is being the core management team for the CellML
>>>>> project - essentially the group that should be making the decisions
>>>>> when
>>>>> consensus can't be reached and setting the goals for the future of the
>>>>> CellML project. Although I'm really not too sure who would be included
>>>>> in such a group.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> At present, CellML meetings are open to anyone who wants to attend
>>> (although obviously the fact that they are held in Auckland limits that
>>> set from a lot of people who want to attend), and 'final' decisions are
>>> made at the meetings by whoever turns up.
>>>
>> I would really like to see a move away from this toward an actual
>> project management team. The current approach seems a bit too arbitrary
>> to me.
>>
> That does then create issues about who to include in this list (and what
> to do if people are away), which is always contentious ground. The
> current approach works well, so why change it?

What current approach exactly are you talking about? The reason for
changing it is to use the project team page as a sort of help page.
Peter is keen on this being implemented and we're just discussing the
best way to do it. At present I'm leaning towards the original idea -
just collecting some information about the key people in the CellML
project team, and providing that information, along with email
addresses, and a strong encouragement to use the cellml-discussion
mailing list. There is then the issue of whether we use our own email
addresses or @cellml.org addresses. Andre is keen on the latter, and I
agree.

>
>>
>>> In terms of the policy for allocating addresses, we don't want to become
>>> a free e-mail redirection host for anyone on the Internet, but I think
>>> as long as someone at least has some connection with CellML, they should
>>> be allowed an alias (subject to review of what that alias is to ensure
>>> it is unlikely to cause confusion or conflict with future lists /
>>> aliases we might want to assign).
>>>
>>> I suggest that we simply give an @cellml.org alias to anyone who asks
>>> for one and has a demonstrated interest of some kind in the CellML
>>> project (whether they are a modeller using CellML, a tool developer, or
>>> interested in some of the theoretical or mathematical aspects of
>>> CellML). Simply providing a form to fill out providing details to list,
>>> and having someone briefly review them should be sufficient to keep out
>>> people who just want the e-mail alias.
>>>
>> While I am unsure how much interest or usefulness there is in providing
>> such a service, I guess I have no problems with this suggestion.
>> Although it will require input from the Auckland IT team as to what is
>> required to implement such a service for a larger group than the core
>> management team as we were originally discussing.
>>
> I don't think we are talking about a very large group of people (there
> are currently 74 people on the mailing list, and I expect the majority
> of them wouldn't want to be listed as being contacted). As long as we
> ask that the alias only be used for CellML-related discussion, I don't
> see the volume of mail getting out of hand.
>
> The first problem with the idea of restricting this to the "core
> management team" is that there isn't one, and deciding on one is going
> to be inherently problematic.
>
> The second problem is that even if there was a core management team,
> they would primarily deal with the maintenance of the CellML
> specification and the cellml.org website, and not necessarily domain
> specific aspects of creating CellML models. The proposal to provide
> people a way to contact each other off-list would probably need to
> include people who actually create models of various types to be useful,
> and these people wouldn't be on the core management team.
>>
>>>>>> P.S. Peter is away from today until the 20th July, getting back to the
>>>>>> office on the 23rd, if you didn't get the email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to see this mailing list used as more of place for
>>>>> decision
>>>>> making so that things like this shouldn't affect the project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> I think cellml-discussion at cellml.org is much more appropriate for such
>>> discussions than the team-cellml list, to which only e-mails which are
>>> unlikely to be relevant outside of the Auckland group should be sent.
>>> This has been agreed on at CellML meetings (before you were working on
>>> the CellML project), and unless that decision is revisited I think we
>>> should all try to abide by it to ensure that no-one outside of Auckland
>>> who wants to contribute to CellML is unable to post (the list is
>>> publicly indexed so others could read it if they wanted to, but if they
>>> are not on the list they might be unaware that discussions are taking
>>> place).
>>>
>> Now that you've redirected this thread to the cellml-discussion list I'm
>> really getting confused which mailing lists you are talking about? Last
>> time I tried the team-cellml archive was not publicly available outside
>> the UoA?? (just tried again, and that hasn't changed.)
>>
> I was talking about the team-cellml list, but it seems that you are
> right: the page itself has no access restrictions on it, but the server
> it is on cannot be directly accessed from outside of the University. I
> will bring this up at the next meeting to see if we can arrange for the
> archives to be made public (this has been discussed before, and we
> decided that it should be publicly accessible, although at that time we
> thought that it already was accessible).
>
> Best regards,
> Andrew
>>
>> David.
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